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1. Carlos Castaneda Bibliography v1.3.3
2. Carlos Castaneda Speaks, An interview
   by Keith Thompson.
3. CASTANEDA'S CLAN (An interview with
   Florinda, Donner-Grau, Taisha Abelar,
   and Carol Tiggs by Keith Nichols.)
   Magical Blend Magazine (c) 1994
4. Carlos Castaneda Overview (v0.4uc)
5. Notes on a talk by Taisha Abelar '92.
6. Notes on a talk by Taisha Abelar '94.


Version:      1.3.3
Last-Updated: Wed Jul  6 14:09:51 CDT 1994
The many contributors have my sincerest thanks.
Items marked with | are new or updated since version 1.2.

    Abelar, Taisha , "Sorcerer's Crossing". 1992.
    Castaneda, Carlos,  "The Teachings of Don  Juan: A Yaqui
    Way of Knowledge". 1968.
    Castaneda,   Carlos,   "A   Separate   Reality:  Further
    Conversations with Don Juan". 1971.
    Castaneda,  Carlos, "Journey  to Ixtlan:  The Lessons of
    Don Juan". 1972.
    Castaneda, Carlos, "Tales of Power". 1974.
    Castaneda, Carlos, "The Second Ring of Power". 1977.
    Castaneda, Carlos, "The Eagle's Gift". 1981.
    Castaneda, Carlos, "The Fire from Within". 1984.
    Castaneda, Carlos, "The Power of Silence". 1987.
    Castaneda, Carlos, "The Art of Dreaming". 1993.
    Castaneda, Carlos, Psychology Today, Dez. 1977, "The Art
    of Dreaming". (That's not the book, it's an article from
    C.C.;  mostly  adapted  from   "Second  Ring".  but  the
    introduction is new and contains new information.)
    Castaneda,  Carlos, "Seis  propositiones explicatorias".
    Mexico 1985. (In the Mexican version of "Eagle's Gift" -
    "El  don del  Aguila" -  there is  an appendix, 25 pages
    long with  a structural analysis by  C.C. himself. There
    he  talks about  secrets  of  the assembledge  point and
    about how stopping the dialog  is connected to the rings
    of  power. Things  that are  missing in  the rest of his
    work...)
    Castaneda,  Carlos, "Preface  to the  Mexican edition of
    Donner's _Being-in-Dreaming_". (Short but interesting)
    Donner, Florinda, "Shabono". 1982.
    Donner, Florinda, "The Witch's Dream". 1985.
    Donner, Florinda, "Being-in-Dreaming". 1991.


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    ?, Magical  Blend #14, "A conversation  with the elusive
    Carlos Castaneda".
    ?, Magical Blend #15, "Carlos Castaneda, part II".
    ?, Magical Blend #35, "Interview with Florinda Donner".
|   Blair-Ewart, Alexander, DIMENSIONS, Vol. VII No. 9, 1992
|       "The Art of Stalking True Freedom - Taisha Abelar in
|       Conversation with Alexander Blair-Ewart".
|       This is a pretty good interview with TA. Discussions
|       about  why all  the books  are being  published, the
|       "new  configuration",  the  recapitulation,  energy,
|       Carol Tiggs' return, etc. More hard information than
|       usually appears in interviews.
|   Blair-Ewart, Alexander, DIMENSIONS, 1992?
|       "The Sorcerer's Crossing - Taisha Abelar in
|       Conversation with Alexander Blair-Ewart (Part II)"
|   Blair-Ewart, Alexander, DIMENSIONS, February, 1992
|       "Being-In-Dreaming - Florinda Donner in Conversation
        with Alexander Blair-Ewart"
|   Burton,  Sandra,  Time  Magazine,  "Magic  and Reality".
    1973.  Interview with  C.C.  (A  horrible thing  - quite
    awful and really boring...)
|   Corvalan, Graciela, "Der Weg der Tolteken - Ein Gesprdch
|   mit  Carlos Castaneda",  Fischer, 1987,  ca. 100p., ISBN
|   3-596-23864-1
|       An  interview  with  Carlos  Castaneda  dating  from
|       1979/80 in the form of a book; most interesting. The
|       original is in Spanish  and has been translated into
|       German by Joachim A Frank.
    Eagle Feather, Ken / Kramer,  Carol, Body, Mind & Spirit
    #6/1992,
        "Being-in-Dreaming".  An   Interview  with  Florinda
        Donner.  (Reveals  what  happened  to  La Gorda, the
        Genaros and the Little Sisters, Soledad, et.al.)
    Fort,  Carmina, "Conversationes  con Carlos  Castaneda".
    Madrid (Spain), 1991.
        Carmina,  Carlos,  and  Florinda  Donner met several
        times in 1988.
        Carmina   wrote   this   book   about   the  events,
        conversations  and revelations.  Quite good.  (about
        130 pages.)

    Keen,  Sam, Psychology  Today, "Sorcerer's  Apprentice".
    1975.
        An  interview  with  C.C.  (Of  some  size and quite
        interesting.  Timeframe: Shortly  before nagual Juan
        Matus' departure = 1973, perhaps February)
    Leviton, Richard, Yoga Journal, March/April 1994 #115,
        "The  Art  of  Dreaming".  Part  book  review,  part
        inquiry                 on                 dreaming.
        gopher://gopher.internet.com:2100/11/collected/yoga
    Nichols,  Keith, Magical  Blend #40,  Oct 1993,  "Taisha
    Abelar on Sorcery: Sorcery  and reality in the Castaneda
    clan".  Interview.  A   good  introduction  to  sorcery,
    recapitulation, dreaming, the  Assemblage Point, and the
    energy body.
    Nichols,   Keith,   Magical   Blend   #42,  April  1994,
    "Castaneda's Clan".
        Interviews with Taisha Abelar, Florinda Donner-Grau,
        and     Carol      Tiggs.     gopher://cscns.com/00/
        News%20and%20Information/aspen/Magical%20Blend/
        Issue%2042/Articles/Castaneda_Clan.doc
    Thompson,  Keith,  New  Age  Journal,  March/April 1994,
    "Carlos  Castaneda  Speaks:  Portrait  of  a  Sorcerer".
    Interview.
    gopher://gopher.internet.com:2100/11/collected/new_age
    Wagner, Bruce, Details, March  1994, "The Secret Life of
    Carlos   Castaneda:  You   Only  Live   Twice".  A  most
    interesting interview.

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    Cox,  Murray,  "Notes  from   the  New  Land:  Join  the
    expedition at the Monroe Institute where researchers use
    the  science  of  sound  to  explore  altered  states of
    consciousness". Omni, Oct 1993.
    Magical Blend #5, "A  comparison of Aleister Crowley and
    Carlos Castaneda".
    Magical Blend  #40, Oct 1993,  "Carlos Castaneda on  don
    Juan".
        This is from a transcript  by way of David Christie,
        not an interview.
    Gnosis     #2,      Spring/Summer     1986,     "Magical
    Autobiographies".
    The  New Thunderbird  Chronicle vol  1, no  3, Oct 1989,
    "Taking  the  Fifth"  et  passim.  The  threshold of the
    Eagle's spiritual Aerie. Drawing  of Carlos on the cover
    (with sombrero covering head).

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    de Mille,  Richard, "Castaneda's Journey:  The Power and
    the Allegory". 1976.
    de Mille, Richard, "The Don Juan Papers". 1980.
|   Fikes,   Jay  Courtney,   "Carlos  Castaneda:   Academic
|   Opportunism  and  the   Psychedelic  Sixties",  Millenia
|   Press, 1993, ISBN 0-9696960-0-0. The gist of this one is
|   that  CC's  works  are  fabrications,  although  the  DJ
|   character is  based on a  real-life sorcerer. Much  info
|   about the Huichol Indians.
    Noel,   Daniel  C.,   "Seeing  Castaneda".   1976,  ISBN
    339-50361-7.

|   Williams, Donald Lee, "Border Crossings: A Psychological
|   Perspective  on Carlos  Castaneda's Path  of Knowledge",
|   Toronto: Inner City Books,  1981, ISBN 0-919123-07-04. A
|   Jungian  interpretation of  Castaneda's books  up to The
|   Second Ring of Power. Dry and scholarly.

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    ?, "Food of  the Gods: The Search for  the Original Tree
    of Knowledge:  A Radical History  of Plants, Drugs,  and
    Human  Evolution". 1992,  ISBN 0-553-37130-4.  Chapter 1
    ("Shamanism: Setting the Stage").
    Blackmore, Susan J., "Beyond  the Body: An Investigation
    of    Out-of-the-Body     Experiences".    1992,    ISBN
    0-89733-344-6.  Published on  behalf of  The Society for
    Psychical Research.  Chapter 12 ("The  Physiology of the
    OBE"), et passim.
    Capra,  Fritjof, "The  Turning Point:  Science, Society,
    and  the  Rising  Culture".  1982,  ISBN  0-553-01480-3.
    Chapter 11 ("Journeys Beyond Space and Time").
    Classen,  Norbert,  "Das  Wissen  der  Tolteken". Berlin
    1992, ISBN 3-9802912-1-9. (My  poor little book... about
    the  Toltec  knowledge.  A  practical  and philosophical
    guide.   It  includes   a  German   version  of   C.C.'s
    ``propositiones   explicatorias'',  only   published  in
    Mexico before.)
    Coerper,  Hellmut,  "Der  Zugang  zum  Wissen". Fellbach
    1981.  ISBN  3-87089-310-9.  (C.G.  Jung, Psychology and
    C.C. Intellectual, but interesting...)
|   Corvalan,  Graciela  N.V.,  "Conversation  de  fond avec
|   Carlos Castaneda",  traduit de l'espagnol  et annote par
|   Eva Martini, Paris: Editions du cerf, 1992, 128p.
    Drury, Nevill,  "Don Juan, Mescalito  and Modern Magic".
    London  & New  York 1978,  ISBN 1-85063-015-1  (Arkana).
    (Old, but interesting, too...)
    Dubant,  Bernard &  Marguerie, Michel,  "Castaneda -  le
    saut dans  l'inconnu". Paris 1982,  ISBN 0-85-707-085-3.
    (They  wrote further  books on  C.C.. Something  for the
    French fans and readers...)
    Eagle Feather,  Ken, "Traveling with  Power". 1992, ISBN
    1-878901-28-1.  Apprentice  to   Don  Juan  talks  about
    perception.
    Fikes,   Jay  Courtney,   "Carlos  Castaneda,   Academic
    Opportunism,  and the  Psychedelic Sixties".  1992, ISBN
    0-8191-8585-X. (The title disqualifies itsself. Somekind
    of a weird book in the tradition of de Mille...)
    Fox,   Oliver,   "Astral   Projection:   A   Record   of
    Out-of-the-Body    Experiences".   1962,    1990,   ISBN
    0-8065-0463-3. Expanded from original articles published
    in the "Occult Review"  in 1920. Chronologically ordered
    accounts of his experiences.
    Hutchison,   Michael,   "Mega   Brain:   New  Tools  and
    Techniques for  Brain Growth and  Mind Expansion". 1986,
    ISBN 0-345-34175-9.  Chapter 12 ("Tuning  the Brain with
    Sound Waves: Hemi-Sync"), et passim.
    Leary,  Timothy,  "Flashbacks:  A  Personal and Cultural
    History  of an  Era". 1990,  ISBN 0-87477-497-7. Chapter
    20, short "Biography" of  Castaneda, Leary's stay at 'La
    Catalina' hotel and run-in with a would-be sorcerer.
    L|tge,  Lothar R|diger,  "C.C.  und  die Lehren  des Don
    Juan". Freiburg 1983. (A practical guide. Frugal...)
    Monroe,  Robert A.,  "Journeys Out  of the  Body". 1971,
    1977,   ISBN   0-385-00861-9.    First   book:   initial
    experiences.
    Monroe,   Robert   A.,   "Far   Journeys".   1985,  ISBN
    0-385-23181-4. Majority  of the book is  a "tale" of the
    OBE journeys of ``AA'', and what he learns.
    Monroe, Robert  A., "Ultimate Journey".  Doubleday, ISBN
    0-385-47207-2
    M|ller,  Burkhard, "Castaneda's  Erben. Eurasburg 1991".
    ISBN 3-9802912-0-0. (A book  about experiences with C.C.
    and the Toltec knowledge.)
    Pearce, Joseph  Chilton, "The Crack  in the Cosmic  Egg:
    Challenging Constructs of Mind and Reality". 1971, 1988,
    ISBN 0-517-56661-3. Chapter 9  ("Don Juan and Jesus") et
    passim.
    Pearce,  Joseph  Chilton,  "Exploring  the  Crack in the
    Cosmic Egg: Split Minds  and Meta-realities". 1974, ISBN
    0-671-80638-6. Chapters 15  ("Reversibility Thinking") &
    16 et passim.
    Pearce, Joseph  Chilton, "Magical Child  Matures". 1985,
    ISBN0-553-25881-8. Chapter 18 ("Not Doing") passim.
    Rogo, D.  Scott, "Leaving the Body:  A Complete Guide to
    Astral Projection: A  step-by-step presentation of eight
    different  systems  of  out-of-body  travel". 1983, ISBN
    0-13-528026-5. Chapter  6 ("The Monroe  Techniques"), et
    passim.
    Rucker,  Rudolf,  "Geometry,  Relativity  and the Fourth
    Dimension". 1977,  ISBN 0-486-23400-2. Chapter  4 ("Time
    as   a   Higher   Dimension"),   Annotated  Bibliography
    discussion of "A Separate Reality".
    Sanchez, Victor,  "Las Ensenenzas de  Don Carlos. Mexico
    1991". ISBN 968-6565-09-4.  (Practical guide. Very good,
    but in  Spanish. Victor is  working on a  second book at
    the moment. It seems to be very interesting. By the way,
    he knows C.C. and studied with him.)
    Smith,    Adam,   "Powers    of   Mind".    1975,   ISBN
    0-345-25426-0-195.
    Timm,  Dennis, "Nagual  Junior". Anthologie,  1982, ISBN
    3-9800414-2-5.  (Anthology with  some dubious interviews
    and texts...)
    Timm,  Dennis,  "Die  Wirklichkeit  und  der  Wissende".
    Frankfurt   1989,  ISBN   3-596-24290-8.  (Philosophical
    study,  but   including  some  interesting   texts  from
    American  anthropologists  who  studied  with  C.C.  and
    comment on his work... mostly positiv!)
    Ulrich,  Hans  E.,  "Von   Meister  Eckhard  bis  C.C.".
    Frankfurt   1986,    ISBN   3-596-26541-X.   (Esoterical
    bullshit; boring...)
    Watson,  Lyall,  "Beyond   Supernature:  A  New  Natural
    History of the  Supernatural". 1988, ISBN 0-553-34456-0.
    Chapter 8 ("Description: Paranthropology").
    Wittman, Ulla, "Leben wie ein Krieger". Interlaken 1988,
    ISBN   3-7157-0120-0.   (Practical   intentions...   but
    sometimes boring, repeating, repeating, repeating...)

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Author: Keith Thompson
        Literary agents are paid  to hype their clients, but
when  the agent  for Carlos  Castaneda claimed  that he  was
offering me  "the interview of  a lifetime," it  was hard to
disagree.  After  all,  Castaneda's  nine best-selling books
describing his extraordinary  apprenticeship to Yaqui Indian
sorcerer don Juan Matus had inspired countless members of my
generation to explore mysticism,  psychedelic drugs, and new
levels of  consciousness. Yet even  as his reputation  grew,
the  author had  remained  a  recluse, shrouding  himself in
mystery  and intrigue.  Aside  from  a few  interviews given
seemingly at random over the years, Castaneda never ventured
into  the public  spotlight. Few  people even  know what  he
looks  like. For  this interview,  his agent  told me, there
could be no cameras and  no tape recorders. The conversation
would have to be recorded  by a stenographer, lest copies of
Castaneda's taped voice fall into the wrong hands.
The  interview  --  perhaps   timed  to  coincide  with  the
publication  of Castaneda's  latest and  most esoteric book,
The Art of Dreaming -- took  place in the conference room of
a modest   office   in   Los   Angeles,   after   weeks   of
back-and-forth  negotiations  with  Castaneda's  agent.  The
arrangements were  complicated, the agent said,  by the fact
that he had  no way of contacting his  client and could only
confirm  a  meeting  after  speaking  with  him "whenever he
decides to call . . . I  never know in advance when that may
be."
Upon my arrival at  noon, an energetic, enthusiastic, broad-
smiled man  walked across the  room, extended his  hand, and
greeted  me  unassumingly:  "Hello,  I  am Carlos Castaneda.
Welcome. We  can begin our conversation  when you are ready.
Would  you  like  coffee,  or  perhaps  a  soda? Please make
yourself comfortable."
I had  heard that  Castaneda  blends  into the  woodwork, or
resembles  a  Cuban  waiter;  that  his  features  are  both
European and  Indian; that his skin  is nut-brown or bronze;
that his hair is black, thick, and curly. So much for rumor.
His  mane is  now white,   or largely  so, short  and mildly
disheveled. If  asked to guide  a police artist  in making a
sketch, I would emphasize the  eyes -- large, bright, lucid.
They may have been gray.
I asked Castaneda about his  schedule. "The entire afternoon
is  available. I  should think  we'll have  all the  time we
need. When it's enough, we'll know." Our conversation lasted
four  hours, continuing  through a  meal of  deli sandwiches
that arrived midway.
My  first  exposure  to  Castaneda's  work  had been as much
initiation  as introduction.  It was  1968. Police  officers
were  clubbing  demonstrators  in  the  streets  of Chicago.
Assassins  had  taken  Martin  Luther  King  Jr.  and Robert
Kennedy.  Aretha  Franklin's  "Chain  of  Fools"  topped the
charts. All of this amidst  an ocean of sandals, embroidered
caftans, bell-bottoms,  jangling bracelets, beads,  and long
hair for men and women alike.
Into  all  this  stepped  an  enigmatic  writer named Carlos
Castaneda, toting a book called The Teachings of Don Juan: A
Yaqui Way  of Knowledge. I  remember how it  transformed me.
The book  I began reading was  a curiosity; the book  I held
when  I  finished  had  become  a  manifesto,  the  kind  of
delirious  cause  celebre  for  which  my  psyche  had  been
secretly training. What Castaneda  seemed to be affirming --
the possibility of awesome  personal spiritual experience --
was  precisely what  the Sunday-morning-only  religion of my
childhood had done its best to vaccinate me against.
Believing in Castaneda gave me faith that someday, some way,
I might meet  my very own don  Juan Matus (don is  a Spanish
appellative   denoting   respect),   the   old  Indian  wise
man/sorcerer  who implores  his protg  Carlos to  get beyond
looking  --  simply  perceiving  the  world  in  its usually
accepted forms. To be a  true "man of knowledge," Carlos has
to learn  the art of seeing,  so that for the  first time he
can  truly perceive  the  startling  nature of  the everyday
world. "When you  see," don Juan says, "there  are no longer
familiar   features  in   the  world.   Everything  is  new.
Everything   has  never   happened  before.   The  world  is
incredible!"
But,  really --  who was  this Castaneda?  Where did he come
from and  what was he  trying to prove,  with his mysterious
account  of  a  realm  that  seemed  to  be  of  an entirely
different order of reality?
Over the  years, various answers to  that question have been
offered. Take your pick:  (a) dissenting anthropologist; (b)
sorcerer's apprentice;  (c) psychic visionary;  (d) literary
genius;  (e) original  philosopher; (f)  master teacher. For
balance, let's not forget (g) perpetrator of one of the most
spectacular hoaxes in the history of publishing.
Castaneda has responded to the bestowal of these conflicting
ID tags  with something like ironic  amusement, as though he
were an audience member enjoying  the spectacle of a Chekhov
comedy in  which he himself may  or may not be  a character.
The  author  has  consistently  declined  --  over a span of
nearly three decades -- to engage  in the war of words about
whether  his  books  are  authentic  accounts  of real-world
encounters, as  he maintains, or  (as numerous critics  have
argued)  fictional allegories  in the  spirit of  Gulliver's
Travels and Alice in Wonderland.
This strategic reticence was  learned from don Juan himself.
"To slip in  and out of different worlds  you have to remain
inconspicuous,"   says  Castaneda,   who  is   rumored  (his
preferred status)  to divide his  time nowadays between  Los
Angeles, Arizona,  and Mexico. "The more  you are identified
by people's ideas  of who you are and how  you will act, the
greater the  constraint on your  freedom. Don Juan  insisted
upon the  importance of erasing personal  history. If little
by little  you create a  fog around yourself,  then you will
not be  taken for granted, and  you will have more  room for
change."
Even so,  scattered clearings in  the fog offer  glimpses of
tracks left by the sorcerer's apprentice in the years before
his life faded to myth.
The scholarly consensus, unconfirmed  by the author himself,
is  that Carlos  Cesar Arana  Castaneda was  born in Peru on
Christmas day 1925 in the historic Andean town of Cajamarca.
Upon graduating from the  Colegio Nacional de Nuestra Senora
de Guadalupe,  he studied briefly at  the National Fine Arts
School  of  Peru.  In  1948  his  family  moved  to Lima and
established a jewelry store. After the death of his mother a
year  later,  Castaneda  moved  to  San  Francisco  and soon
enrolled  at Los  Angeles City  College, where  he took  two
courses in creative writing and one in journalism.
Castaneda received  a B.A. in anthropology  in 1962 from the
University of California at Los Angeles. In 1968, five years
before  Castaneda received  his Ph.D.  in anthropology,  the
University  of California  Press published  The Teachings of
Don Juan: A Yaqui Way  of Knowledge, which became a national
best  seller  following  an  enthusiastic  notice  by  Roger
Jellinek in the New York Times Book Review:
"One can't exaggerate the significance of what Castaneda has
done.   He  is   describing  a   shamanistic  tradition,   a
pre-logical cultural  form that is no-one-knows  how old. It
has been described  often. . . . But it  seems that no other
outsider,  and   certainly  not  a   'Westerner,'  has  ever
participated in  its mysteries from  within; nor has  anyone
described them so well."
The  fuse was  lit. The  Teachings sold  300,000 copies in a
1969 Ballantine mass edition. A Separate Reality and Journey
to Ixtlan followed  from Simon & Schuster in  1971 and 1972.
The saga continued in Tales of Power (1974), The Second Ring
of  Power (1977),  The Eagle's  Gift (1981),  The Fire  from
Within (1984), The  Power of Silence (1987), and  The Art of
Dreaming  (1993). (Bibliophiles  may be  interested to learn
that Castaneda says he actually  wrote a book about don Juan
before The  Teachings, titled The Crack  Between Worlds, but
lost the manuscript in a movie theater.)
In assessing  the impact of  his work, Castaneda's  admirers
credit him with introducing to  popular culture the rich and
varied  traditions  of  shamanism,  with  their  emphasis on
entering  nonordinary  realms  and  confronting  strange and
sometimes hostile spirit-powers, in order to restore balance
and  harmony to  body, soul,  and society.  Inspired by  don
Juan's use of peyote, jimsonweed,  and other power plants to
teach  Castaneda the  "art of  dreaming," untold  numbers of
pioneers   extended   their   own   inner  horizons  through
psychedelic inquiry -- with decidedly mixed results.
For their  part, critics of Castaneda's  "path of knowledge"
dismiss  his  work   as  an  ongoing  pseudo-anthropological
shenanigan,    complete   with    fabricated   shamans   and
sensationalized  Native  American  religious  practices. The
writings,  they claim,  have netted  an unscrupulous  author
tremendous  wealth at  the  cost  of denigrating  the sacred
lifeways   of   indigenous    peoples   through   commercial
exploitation.  Castaneda's presentation,  writes Richard  de
Mille  in  Castaneda's  Journey,  "appeals  to  the reader's
hunger  for  myth,  magic,  ancient  wisdom,  true  reality,
self-improvement, other worlds, or imaginary playmates."
Appropriately, the  Castaneda I encountered  was a study  in
contrasts.  His presence  was informal,  spontaneous, warmly
animated, and  at times contagiously  mirthful. At the  same
time,  his   still  heavily  accented   (Peruvian?  Chilean?
Spanish?)  diction conveyed  the patrician  formality of  an
ambassador at  court: deliberate and  well-composed, serious
and poised, earnest and resolute. Practiced.
The contradiction,  like so much  about the man,  may strike
some  as a  bothersome inconsistency.  But it  shouldn't. To
reread  Carlos Castaneda's  books (as  I did, astonishingly,
all nine of them) is to see clearly -- perhaps for the first
time  --  that  contradiction  is  the  force  that ties his
literary Gordian knot. As the  author had told me, intently,
during our  lunch break: "Only by  pitting two views against
each other can one weasel between them to arrive at the real
world."
I had the sense he was letting me know his fortress was well
guarded -- and daring me to storm it anyway.
Keith Thompson:  As your books  have made a  character named
Carlos  world-famous,   the  author  called   Castaneda  has
retreated further  and further from public  view. There have
been  more  confirmed  sightings  of  Elvis  than  of Carlos
Castaneda in recent years. Legend has you committing suicide
on at least three occasions; there's the persistent story of
your death  in a Mexican bus  crash two decades ago;  and my
search for a confirmed photo  and audio tapes was fruitless.
How  can I  be sure  that you're  truly Castaneda  and not a
Carlos   impersonator   from   Vegas?   Have   you  got  any
distinguishing birthmarks?
Carlos Castaneda: None! Just my agent vouches for me. That's
his job. But you are free to ask me your questions and shine
a bright light in my eyes and keep me here all night -- like
in the old movies.
You're known for being unknown.  Why have you agreed to talk
now, after declining interviews for so many years?
Because I'm at the end of the trail that started over thirty
years  ago.  As  a  young  anthropologist,  I  went  to  the
Southwest  to collect  information, to  do fieldwork  on the
medicinal plants used by the Indians of the area. I intended
to  write an  article, go  on to  graduate school,  become a
professional in my field. I hadn't the slightest interest in
meeting a weird man like don Juan.
How exactly did your paths cross?
I was  waiting  for  the  bus  at  the  Greyhound station in
Nogales,  Arizona, talking  with an  anthropologist who  had
been my guide  and helper in my survey.  My colleague leaned
over  and pointed  to a  white-haired old  Indian across the
room -- "Psst, over there, don't let him see you looking" --
and said he was an expert about peyote and medicinal plants.
That was  all I needed  to hear. I  put on my  best airs and
sauntered over to  this man, who was known  as don Juan, and
told him I myself was an authority about peyote. I said that
it might be  worth his while to have lunch  and talk with me
-- or something unbearably arrogant to that effect.
The old power-lunch ploy. But  you weren't really much of an
authority, were you?
I knew  next  to  nothing  about  peyote!  But  I  continued
rattling  on --  boasting about  my knowledge,  intending to
impress him. I remember that he just looked at me and nodded
occasionally, without  saying a word.  My pretensions melted
in the  heat of that day.  I was stunned at  being silenced.
There I stood in the abyss,  until don Juan saw that his bus
had come. He said good- bye,  with the slightest wave of his
hand.  I felt  like an  arrogant imbecile,  and that was the
end.
Also the beginning.
Yes, that's when everything started. I learned that don Juan
was known as a brujo, which means, in English, medicine man,
curer,  sorcerer. It  became my  task to  discover where  he
lived. You know, I was very good at doing that, and I did. I
found out, and  I came to see him one  day. We took a liking
to each other and soon became good friends.
You felt like  a moron in this man's  presence, but you were
eager to seek him out?
The way don  Juan had looked at me there  in the bus station
was exceptional -- an unprecedented  event in my life. There
was  something remarkable  about his  eyes, which  seemed to
shine  with  a  light  all  their  own.  You  see, we are --
unfortunately we don't want to accept this, but we are apes,
anthropoids,  simians. There's  a primary  knowledge that we
all carry, directly  connected with the two-million-year-old
person  at the  root of  our brain.  And we  do our  best to
suppress it, which makes us obese, cardiac, cancer-prone. It
was on that  archaic level that I was  tackled by don Juan's
gaze, despite  my annoyance and irritation  that he had seen
through my pretense to expertise in the bus station.
Eventually  you became  don Juan's  apprentice, and  he your
mentor. What was the transition?
A year passed before he took  me into his confidence. We had
gotten to know each other quite  well, when one day don Juan
turned to  me and said he  held a certain knowledge  that he
had  learned from  an unnamed  benefactor, who  had led  him
through a  kind of training.  He used this  word "knowledge"
more often than "sorcery," but for him they were one and the
same.  Don  Juan  said  he  had  chosen  me  to serve as his
apprentice,  but that  I must   be prepared  for a  long and
difficult road. I had no  idea how astonishingly strange the
road would be.
That's a consistent thread of your books -- your struggle to
make  sense  of  a  "separate  reality"  where gnats stand a
hundred feet tall, where human  heads turn into crows, where
the same leaf falls four times, where sorcerers conjure cars
to disappear  in broad daylight. A  good stage hypnotist can
produce astonishing effects. Is  it possible that's what don
Juan was up to? Did he trick you?
It's possible.  What he did  was teach me  that there's much
more to  the world than  we usually acknowledge  -- that our
normal  expectations  about  reality  are  created by social
consensus, which is itself a  trick. We're taught to see and
understand the  world through a  socialization process that,
when    working   correctly,    convinces   us    that   the
interpretations we agree upon define  the limits of the real
world.  Don  Juan  interrupted  this  process  in my life by
demonstrating that we have the  capacity to enter into other
worlds  that  are  constant  and  independent  of our highly
conditioned  awareness. Sorcery  involves reprogramming  our
capacities to perceive realms as real, unique, absolute, and
engulfing as our daily so-called mundane world.
Don  Juan  is   always  trying  to  get  you   to  put  your
explanations  of reality  and your  assumptions about what's
possible inside brackets, so you  can see how arbitrary they
are.    Contemporary    philosophers    would    call   this
"deconstructing" reality.
Don Juan  had a visceral  understanding of the  way language
works  as  a  system  unto  itself  --  the way it generates
pictures of  reality that we believe,  mistakenly, to reveal
the "true" nature of things.  His teachings were like a club
beating my thick head until I  saw that my precious view was
actually  a  construction,  woven  of  all  kinds of fixated
interpretations, which I used  to defend myself against pure
wondering perception.
There's  a contradiction  in  there,  somewhere. On  the one
hand,  don Juan  desocialized you,  by teaching  you to  see
without   preconceptions.  Yet   it  sounds   like  he  then
resocialized you by enrolling you  in a new set of meanings,
simply giving you a different  interpretation, a new spin on
reality -- albeit a "magical" one.
That's something don  Juan and I argued about  all the time.
He said in effect that he was despinning me and I maintained
he was respinning me. By  teaching me sorcery he presented a
new lens, a new language, and  a new way of seeing and being
in  the world.  I was  caught between  my previous certainty
about the  world and a new  description, sorcery, and forced
to  hold the  old and  the new  together. I  felt completely
stalled, like a car slipping  its transmission. Don Juan was
delighted.  He  said  this  meant  I  was  slipping  between
descriptions of reality -- between my old and new views.
Eventually I saw that all my prior assumptions were based on
viewing the world as something  from which I was essentially
alienated. That day  when I encountered don Juan  in the bus
station, I  was the ideal  academic, triumphantly estranged,
conniving  to  prove  my  nonexistent  expertise  concerning
psychotropic plants.
Ironically,  it was  don Juan  who later  introduced you  to
"Mescalito," the green-skinned spirit of peyote.
Don Juan introduced me to  psychotropic plants in the middle
period of my apprenticeship, because  I was so stupid and so
cocky,   which   of   course   I   considered   evidence  of
sophistication. I held to my conventional description of the
world with  incredible vengeance, convinced it  was the only
truth. Peyote served to exaggerate the subtle contradictions
within  my  interpretative  gloss,  and  this  helped me cut
through  the typical  Western stance  of seeing  a world out
there and  talking to myself about  it. But the psychotropic
approach had its costs -- physical and emotional exhaustion.
It took months for me to come fully around.
If you could do it over again, would you "just say no"?
My path has  been my path. Don Juan always  told me, "Make a
gesture." A  gesture is nothing  more than a  deliberate act
undertaken for the power that  comes from making a decision.
Ultimately, the  value of entering  a nonordinary state,  as
you do with peyote or other psychotropic plants, is to exact
what you  need in order to  embrace the stupendous character
of ordinary reality. You see, the path of the heart is not a
road of  incessant introspection or  mystical flight, but  a
way  of engaging  the joys  and sorrows  of the  world. This
world, where each  one of us is related  at molecular levels
to every  other wondrous and dynamic  manifestation of being
-- this world is the warrior's true hunting ground.
Your friend don  Juan teaches what is, how  to know what is,
and  how  to  live  in  accord  with  what  is  -- ontology,
epistemology, and  ethics. Which leads many  to say he's too
good to  be true, that  you created him  from scratch as  an
allegorical instrument of wise instruction.
The  notion  that  I  concocted  a  person  like don Juan is
preposterous.  I'm  a  product  of  a  European intellectual
tradition to which  a character like don Juan  is alien. The
actual  facts are  stranger: I'm  a reporter.  My books  are
accounts of an outlandish phenomenon  that forced me to make
fundamental  changes  in  my  life  in  order  to  meet  the
phenomenon on its own terms.
Some of  your critics grow  quite livid in  their contention
that  Juan Matus  sometimes speaks  more like  an Oxford don
than a  don Indian. Then  there's the fact  that he traveled
widely and  acquired his knowledge from  sources not limited
to his Yaqui roots.
Permit me to  make a confession: I take  much delight in the
idea  that don  Juan may  not be  the "best"  don Juan. It's
probably  true  that  I'm  not  the  best  Carlos Castaneda,
either. Years ago I met the  perfect Castaneda at a party in
Sausalito, quite  by accident. There,  in the middle  of the
patio, was  the most handsome  man, tall, blond,  blue-eyed,
beautiful, barefoot.  It was the early  '70s. He was signing
books, and the owner of the  house said to me, "I'd like you
to  meet  Carlos  Castaneda."  He  was  impersonating Carlos
Castaneda, with an impressive coterie of beautiful women all
around him. I  said, "I am very pleased  to meet you, Mister
Castaneda." He responded, "Doctor Castaneda." He was doing a
very  good job.  I thought,  He presents  a good  way to  be
Castaneda, the  ideal Castaneda, with all  the benefits that
go  with the  position. But  time passes,  and I'm still the
Castaneda  that  I  am,  not  very  well  suited to play the
Hollywood version. Nor is don Juan.
Speaking   of   confessions:   Did   you   ever  contemplate
downplaying the eccentricity of  your teacher and presenting
him as a  more conventional character, to make  him a better
vehicle for his teachings?
I never considered  such an approach.  Smoothing rough edges
to advance an agreeable plot  is the luxury of the novelist.
I'm  not unfamiliar  with the  spoken and  unspoken canon of
science: "Be  objective." Sometimes don Juan  spoke in goofy
slang -- the equivalent of  "By golly!" and "Don't lose your
marbles!" are  two of his  favorites. On other  occasions he
showed a  superb command of  Spanish, which permitted  me to
obtain  detailed explanations  of the  intricate meanings of
his  system   of  beliefs  and  its   underlying  logic.  To
deliberately alter don  Juan in my books so  he would appear
consistent  and  meet  the  expectations  of  this  or  that
audience  would bring  "subjectivity"  to  my work,  a demon
that,  according  to  my  best  critics,  has  no  place  in
ethnographic writing.
Skeptics have challenged you to exorcise that demon once and
for all, by presenting for public inspection the field notes
based  on  your  encounters  with  don  Juan.  Wouldn't that
alleviate  doubts about  whether your  writings are  genuine
ethnography or disguised fiction?
Whose doubts?
Fellow anthropologists, for starters.
The Senate Watergate Committee. Geraldo Rivera . . .
There was a time when requests  to see my field notes seemed
unencumbered  by  hidden   ideological  agendas.  After  The
Teachings  of  Don  Juan  appeared  I  received a thoughtful
letter  from Gordon  Wasson, the  founder of  the science of
ethnomycology,  the study  of  human  uses of  mushrooms and
other fungi. Gordon and  Valentina Wasson had discovered the
existence  of still-active  shamanic mushroom  cults in  the
mountains  near  Oaxaca,  Mexico.  Dr.  Wasson  asked  me to
clarify certain  aspects of don  Juan's use of  psychotropic
mushrooms. I  gladly sent him  several pages of  field notes
relevant to  his area of  interest, and met  with him twice.
Subsequently  he referred  to me  as an  "honest and serious
young man," or words to that effect.
Even  so, some  critics proceeded  to assert  that any field
notes produced by Castaneda must  be assumed to be forgeries
created after the  fact. At that point I  realized there was
no  way I  could satisfy   people whose  minds were  made up
without recourse to whatever  documentation I might provide.
Actually,  it was  liberating to  abandon the  enterprise of
public relations  -- intrinsically a violation  of my nature
-- and return to my fieldwork with don Juan.
You  must be  familiar with   the claim  that your  work has
fostered   the   trivialization   of   indigenous  spiritual
traditions. The argument goes  like this: A despicable cadre
of   non-Indian   wannabees,   commercial   profiteers,  and
self-styled  shamans  has  read  your  books  and found them
inspiring. How do you plead?
I didn't  set   out  to  write  an   exhaustive  account  of
indigenous spirituality, so it's a  fallacy to judge my work
by  that  criterion.  My  books  are  instead a chronicle of
specific  experiences  and   observations  in  a  particular
context, reported to the best of  my ability. But I do plead
guilty to knowingly committing  willful acts of ethnography,
which  is none  other than  translating cultural  experience
into writing.  Ethnography is always writing.  That's what I
do. What happens when spoken words become written words, and
written  words become  published words,  and published words
get ingested  through acts of reading  by persons unknown to
the  author?  Let's  agree  to  call  it  complex. I've been
extremely fortunate  to have a  wide and diverse  readership
throughout much  of the world. The  entry requirement is the
same everywhere: literacy. Beyond  this, I'm responsible for
the virtues and  vices of my anonymous audience  in the same
way  that  every  writer  of   any  time  and  place  is  so
responsible. The main thing is, I stand by my work.
What does don Juan think of your global notoriety?
Nada. Not a  thing. I learned this definitively  when I took
him a copy of The Teachings of Don Juan. I said, "It's about
you, don  Juan." He surveyed the  book -- up and  down, back
and front, flipped through the pages like a deck of cards --
then handed it back. I was crestfallen and told him I wanted
him to  have it as a  gift. Don Juan said  he had better not
accept  it,  "because  you  know  what  we  do with paper in
Mexico." He  added, "Tell your publisher  to print your next
book on softer stock."
Earlier you  mentioned that don  Juan deliberately made  his
teaching   dramatic.  Your   writings  reflect   that.  Much
anthropological writing gives the impression of striving for
dullness, as if banality were a mark of truth.
To have made my astonishing  adventures with don Juan boring
would  have been  to lie.  It  has  taken me  many years  to
appreciate  the fact  that don   Juan is  a master  of using
frustration, digression,  and partial disclosure  as methods
of  instruction.  He  strategically  blended  revelation and
concealment in the oddest combinations.  It was his style to
assert   that  ordinary   and  nonordinary   reality  aren't
separate, but instead are encompassed  in a larger circle --
and then to  reverse himself the next day  by insisting that
the line  between different realities  must be respected  at
all costs.  I asked him  why this must  be so. He  answered,
"Because nothing is more important  to you than keeping your
personal world intact."
He was right. That was my  top priority in the early days of
the apprenticeship.  Eventually I saw  -- I saw  -- that the
path  of the  heart requires   a full  gesture, a  degree of
abandon that can be terrifying.  Only then is it possible to
achieve a sparkling metamorphosis.
I also  realized the  extent to  which the  teachings of don
Juan  could and  would be  dismissed as  "mere allegory"  by
certain   specialists  whose   sacramental  mission   is  to
reinforce  the limits  that  culture  and language  place on
perception.
This approaches the question of who gets to define "correct"
cultural  description.  Nowadays  some  of  Margaret  Mead's
critics  declare she  was "wrong"  about Samoa.  But why not
say, less dogmatically, that  her writings present a partial
picture based on a unique  encounter with an exotic culture?
Obviously her discoveries mirrored the concerns of her time,
including her  own biases. Who  has the authority  to cordon
off art from science?
The assumption  that art, magic, and  science can't exist in
the same  space at the same  time is an obsolete  remnant of
Aristotelian  philosophical  categories.  We've  got  to get
beyond this kind  of nostalgia in the social  science of the
twenty-first  century.  Even  the  term  ethnography  is too
monolithic,  because  it  implies  that  writing about other
cultures is an activity specific to anthropology, whereas in
fact ethnography cuts across various disciplines and genres.
Furthermore, even the ethnographer isn't monolithic -- he or
she  must  be  reflexive  and  multifaceted,  just  like the
cultural phenomena that are encountered as "other."
So the observer, the observed phenomenon, and the process of
observation   form  an   inseparable  totality.   From  that
perspective,  reality isn't  simply received,  it's actively
captured  and  rendered  in   different  ways  by  different
observers with different ways of seeing.
Just so. What sorcery comes down  to is the act of embodying
some  specialized theoretical  and practical  premises about
the nature of perception in  molding the universe around us.
It  took me  a long  time to  understand, intuitively,  that
there were three Castanedas: one  who observed don Juan, the
man and teacher;  another who was the active  subject of don
Juan's  training --  the apprentice;  and still  another who
chronicled the adventures. "Three" is a metaphor to describe
the  sensation of  endlessly changing  boundaries. Likewise,
don Juan himself was constantly shifting positions. Together
we were  traversing the crack  between the natural  world of
everyday  life and  an unseen  world, which  don Juan called
"the   second   attention,"   a   term   he   preferred   to
"supernatural."
What  you're describing  isn't what  comes to  mind for most
anthropologists when  they think about  their line of  work,
you know.
Oh, I'm  certain you're right  about that! Someone  recently
asked me, What does  mainstream anthropology think of Carlos
Castaneda? I  don't suppose most  of them think  about me at
all. A  few may be  a little bit  annoyed, but they're  sure
that  whatever I'm  doing is  not scientific  and they don't
trouble themselves. For most  of the field, "anthropological
possibility" means that you go  to an exotic land, arrive at
a hotel,  drink your  highball while  a flock  of indigenous
people come and talk to you about the culture. They tell you
all kinds  of things, and  you write down  the various words
for father and mother. More  highballs, then you go home and
put it  all in your  computer and tabulate  for correlations
and  differences. That  to them  is scientific anthropology.
For me, that would be living hell.
How do you actually write?
My conversations with don Juan throughout the apprenticeship
were conducted primarily in Spanish. From the outset I tried
to persuade don  Juan to let me use a  tape recorder, but he
said relying on something mechanical  only makes us more and
more sterile. "It curtails your  magic," he said. "Better to
learn  with your  whole body  so you'll  remember with  your
whole  body." I  had no  idea what  he meant. Consequently I
began  keeping voluminous  field notes  of what  he said. He
found my  industriousness amusing. As for  my books, I dream
them. I gather  myself and my field notes  -- usually in the
afternoon but not always -- and  go through all my notes and
translate  them into  English. In  the evening  I sleep  and
dream what I  want to write. When I wake  up, I write in the
quiet  hours of  the night,  drawing upon  what has arranged
itself coherently in my head.
Do you rewrite?
It's not  my practice to  do so. Regular  writing is for  me
quite dry and labored. Dreaming is best. Much of my training
with don  Juan was in  reconditioning perception to  sustain
dream images long enough to look at them carefully. Don Juan
was  right about  the tape  recorder --  and in  retrospect,
right about the notes. They were  my crutch, and I no longer
need them. By the end of my time with don Juan, I learned to
listen and watch and sense and recall in all the cells of my
body.
Earlier you mentioned reaching the  end of the road, and now
you're  talking about  the end  of your  time with don Juan.
Where is he now?
He's gone. He disappeared.
Without a clue?
Don  Juan told  me he  was going  to fulfill  the sorcerer's
dream of leaving this  world and entering into "unimaginable
dimensions."  He  displaced  his  assemblage  point from its
fixation in  the conventional human world.  We would call it
combusting from  the inside. It's  an alternative to  dying.
Either they  bury you six feet  deep in the poor  flowers or
you burn. Don Juan chose burning.
I guess it's  one way to  erase personal history.  Then this
conversation is don Juan's obituary notice?
He had come  to the end, deliberately. By  intent. He wanted
to expand, to  join his physical body with  his energy body.
His adventure  was there, where the  tiny personal tide pool
joins  the  great  ocean.   He  called  it  the  "definitive
journey." Such vastness is incomprehensible to my mind, so I
can only give up explaining. I've found that the explanatory
principle will protect  you from fear of the  unknown, but I
prefer the unknown.
You've  traveled far  and wide.  Give it  to me straight: Is
reality ultimately a safe place?
I once asked don Juan something quite similar. We were alone
in the desert -- nighttime, billions of stars. He laughed in
a friendly and genuine way. He  said, "Sure, the universe is
benign. It may destroy you, but in the process it will teach
you something worth knowing."
What's next for Carlos Castaneda?
I'll have to let you know. Next time.
Will there be a next time?
There's always a next time.


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An exclusive interview with three  if the female warriors of
Carlos  Castaneda's sorcery  lineage Florinda,  Donner-Grau,
Taisha Abelar, and Carol Tiggs interview by Keith Nichols.
      It's  been over  twenty years  since Carlos  Castaneda
began   igniting   his   readers'   imaginations  about  the
possibility of viewing  reality differently. Today, American
seekers  are  involved  in  a  magical  blend  of  religious
practices aimed at the same  thing from Zen Buddhism to Yoga
to  herbal remedies  and  even  Wicca and  spiritualism. Yet
questions still  remain from the intensive  searching of the
last several decades, such as when are we going to get free,
anyway? And how do we explain the inexplicable?
     These were the questions on my mind when I found myself
journeying  down  the  coast   toward  Los  Angeles  for  an
encounter with  three women of  Castaneda's sorcery lineage:
Florinda Donner Grau, Taisha Abelar, and Carol Tiggs.
     When Florinda Donner-Grau and I  first met, she told me
about an encounter that serves well to explain the threshold
that  many people  have already  encountered. As  she walked
down the streets in downtown Los Angeles, she saw a floating
blob of  energy. As she  watched it bounce  up and down  the
street, she was a little unsure about her senses. She tugged
on  the shoulder  of a  man standing  nearby whose mouth was
open wide  in a state  of disbelief--or maybe  bewilderment.
She saw that he too was looking at the blob.
     As  a sorcerer,  Donner-Grau is  aware that  reality is
largely perception  and that what we  choose to perceive and
not to perceive is based on our training. So perhaps the man
in  L.A. represents  a sort  of graduation  in the school of
larger possibilities, a generation prepared by Castaneda and
others to perceive subtler energies.
     With the recent publication  of Castaneda's ninth book,
as well as books by  Florinda Donner-Grau and Taisha Abelar,
Carlos Castaneda's sorcerers party has evolved into seems to
beckon forth that  this reality is not the  only one; others
do exist into which we can transcend.
Why are the women of this lineage just beginning to come out
and speak about their practices?
Florinda   Donner-Grau:   Well,   there   is  a  fundamental
difference in the way males and females perceive and respond
to reality.  Females, such as  Taisha, Carol, and  I, didn't
write  about   anything  for  twenty  years.   This  is  the
fundamental difference:  females need to embody  a system of
belief  before they  can write  about it.  While males build
their bridges of understanding with words, women build their
understanding with  their life. Both are  equally valid ways
of  understanding,  yet  they  are  very  different  ways of
processing life.
     In terms of energy the  male cones toward knowledge; he
builds  step  by  step.  In  physics,  this  stepping can be
described like a cone, where  males are always moving toward
a source  but  never  reaching   it.  With  females,  it  is
different  because that  cone  is  reversed. Because  of the
womb,  females  have  the  capacity  to  perceive  knowledge
directly. There is no reason  for her to explain because she
already knows.  And it is this  knowingness, this experience
of being connected with  the source-what we call Intent-that
sorcerers  want to  get back  to. Females  have an  inherent
advantage in that they know  Intent directly, while the male
is always approaching it.
What  is the  purpose of  being connected  with this source,
Intent?
Florinda Donner-Grau:  Well, I'll tell  you a story.  I love
books; I'm an avid reader. Now  Carlos hasn't read a book in
over twenty years. I know that because he gave all his books
to me.  Now I'm very interested  in phenomenology because as
an intellectual pursuit, it is the only one that comes close
to sorcery.  Well, I'll be  reading something and  then I'll
ask Carlos a question. He'll  be quiet for about ten minutes
and then he'll give me an explanation of exactly what I have
been reading. At that point, I know that he's been out there
grabbing that knowledge from elsewhere. And this ability has
no limitation; I can ask  him something about physics and he
immediately gives me a bonafide answer.
How would you describe what he is doing?
Carol  Tiggs: I  would say  that he  is practicing dreaming,
which is a way of describing  that he is using his energetic
body to grab hold of a line of energy and access information
directly from the source of the universe.
Florinda Donner-Grau: And Carlos  knows exactly what line to
grab. Seers  see that it is  all out there anyway.  But what
makes  a capable  sorcerer is  the ability  to access  these
lines  of information  with control  and at  will. Recently,
Carlos took  a group of twenty  people to a small  church in
Mexico (written about in several of his books). While in the
church, he took the whole group into a state of dreaming and
journeyed into another world.
How does one learn how to do this?
Florinda  Donner-Grau: It's  all a  matter of  having enough
energy  to be  able to  see. We're  all so  consumed by  the
everydayness of  life that we  simply don't have  any energy
left over to see.
How do people use daily life to begin to find where they are
draining themselves energetically?
Carol Tiggs:  When you look  back over your  workday, one of
the clues to  where you lost your energy  is where you began
to feel  tired and not energetically  yourself. Those places
are where you'll find your answers and start to develop some
perspective-and you'll  be able to  begin to pull  back your
energy from  these events and  begin to start  examining the
patterns that keep you stuck within the ego game of hero and
victim.
Is this process different for the males and the females?
Florinda Donner-Grau: The process  isn't any different. When
you recapitulate, you take  yourself back and recreate every
event as it happened. Once you have the energy, this happens
automatically  and you  don't have  to reach  it through any
shamanistic means, such as fasting  and so on. You can begin
any  day and  start from  that day  and move backwards. I've
done four  recapitulations of my  entire life to  date and I
find something  new each time. And  what I find is  that not
directly  but  indirectly  we  always  try  to  be  the hero
ourselves.
     At  some  of  the  lectures  we  have given, people are
always taking notes  and I find myself saying  to them, "No,
don't take notes, because those things are meaningless. Just
listen." All of  their energy is gong into  taking notes and
they're missing half of what is really going on.
Taisha Abelar: We constantly hear  people say, If only I was
a part of your group, then I could do this or that. But what
they  don't understand  is that  wherever you  are, that  is
where you start.
Carol Tiggs: Sorcery is really just perception. There are no
rituals, no  dancing, no nothing.  Just perception and  some
techniques  to enhance  perception through  gathering up  of
oneself  energetically. There  are aids,  such as  not-doing
techniques.
Taisha Abelar:  Or just watching  your thoughts and  hearing
what you are  really thinking. You can learn  a lot by doing
that.
Carol Tiggs:  What I've found is  that people generally fall
into  one  of  two  categories:  either  they  have to be in
control or they are being controlled by something else. When
you  come from  these  two  scenarios, you  generally aren't
perceiving your life clearly. By recapitulating you light up
in your awareness exactly the energies (or reality) that was
constructed so  that you can begin  to perceive the patterns
and programming that control you.
Taisha  Abelar: When  you begin  to clearly  see the  social
patterns that  control you, you start  to move into stalking
yourself. This is where you can become an active participant
in life. Suddenly your boss is no longer that evil, horrible
controller that he once was.  Instead he becomes a mirror by
which you start to see where  you are trapped into the games
of  this reality.  These games  are what  consume or  tie up
people's  energy  and  keep  them  from  perceiving the true
energetic nature of this reality.
     When you move away from the consensus of everyday life,
you can allow  the Intent or the dream that  has been set up
by Intent to become the moving force, the guide.
Florinda Donner-Grau: To do this you have to relinquish this
feeling of having to be the  one in control. But believe me,
even  after  you  have  recapitulated,  you  still have that
feeling  that you  have this  one little  area over here and
that once you get to it, then  you will be the one who is in
charge.
Let's  get  back  to  the  ways  in  which males and females
perceive. If females perceive directly, then why aren't most
females   walking   around   steeped   in  understanding  or
knowingness of Intent?
Florinda Donner-Grau:  Males have an  energetic advantage in
the physical world. Though the male cone shape configuration
of  energy  makes  perceiving  the  source  of  Intent  more
difficult, it  is ideal for  being able to  work stronger in
the physical world . There is  no way for females to compete
against  that  energetic  advantage  as  long  as  they  are
imitating  roles  that  males  have  created.  Instead we as
females have to find our  own resources and break this cycle
of  imitation so  that we   can truly  begin to  evolve into
something different.
What is that evolvement?
Carol  Tiggs: To  tell you  the truth,  I really don't know.
What  is  our  Intent  as  we  evolve  and  what  does  this
evolvement entail? For female  sorcerers, part of this comes
into enhancing  the secondary functions of  our wombs, which
are the dreaming  organs in the female body.  And we do this
by recapitulating,  breaking old patterns,  gathering up our
energy, so that we can begin to dream a new dream.
Taisha Abelar: Whatever has happened to us-and something has
happened-we hope to convey to  younger people that change is
possible. But there has to be  some kind of critical mass to
make this change possible.
Florinda  Donner-Grau:  When  you  go  against  the enormous
consensus  that   constitutes  everyday  reality,   you  are
pounding  against a  stone wall.  When sorcerers  enter into
dreaming, the  first thing they will  usually encounter is a
bank  of fog.  When you  see  this  fog you  are pulling  at
something else energetically.
     ln a way,  sorcery is like Chinese Medicine  in that it
treats the  body as if  it were a  field of energy.  Western
Medicine  treats the  body as  if it  were an  object so  it
doesn't  take  advantage  of  the  more  powerful  energetic
reality.  Consequently you  have doctors  cutting out matter
instead of  using energy to change  it. Medicine, like modem
man, would change dramatically if it took advantage of these
energetic  principles to  aid  in  a metamorphis  of current
limitations and illnesses.
Carol Tiggs: What a sorcerer searches for is that evolvement
within  his awareness  or  energetic  field; that  moment or
possibility of  change into a  state of being  that has more
wellness.
Florinda Donner-Grau: Currently there is so much invested in
institutions like the A.M.A. that  there is no way that they
are  going to  change things  like that.  But what  they are
doing to the body is horrendous. They teach us that medicine
has advanced, but  that simply isn't true. Now  we have Aids
and cancer  and we really  don't know what  the hell we  are
doing.
     I  had a  young female  friend who  died of  intestinal
cancer a couple of months ago. On the outside she was living
the  perfect life  but on   the inside  she was  being eaten
alive. You see, her husband was  a president of one of those
huge  corporations and  you wouldn't  believe the  pains she
went through  to impress people. She  was killing herself to
impress other  people. I asked  her, "If things  are so bad,
why didn't  you seek some help?"  But she said that  she was
worried  about what  people  would  think. I  answered back,
"What will they think when you  are dead?" Now, she is dead,
and they don't  think a thing. If that is  the price you are
going to pay, then take off.
     But that's what  we do. You see, in  a way, we're still
monkeys. Don Juan used to tease  us and say that we are like
a monkey who  has reached into  a gourd to  grab some seeds.
The monkey can't get his hand out  as long as he holds on to
those seeds. Humans  are very much the same  way. Our social
expectations are the seeds  which consume our awareness. All
the monkey would have to do to become free is to just let go
of those  damn seeds, but he  won't. We won't let  go of the
seeds to get  ourselves out of a trapped  situation. We just
can't let go.
     Gary  Larson  drew  a  cartoon  showing  an ape who had
fallen  out of  a tree  and was  laying flat  on the ground.
Under the  drawing was the  transcription: The dawn  of man.
The  only thing  he forgot  to add  was that  the monkey had
fallen onto  a patch of seeds.  You see, he had  grabbed for
the seeds; that was the real fall of man.
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    The Sorcerers' Explanation

-------------------------- Summerized from Tales of Power, Washington Square Press. The secret of the luminous beings is that we are perceivers, we are an awareness without solidity or bounds. The world we think we see is only a description of world told to us by our internal dialog, a description that has been taught to us by others. We are trapped inside that bubble of perception and what we witness on its walls is a reflection of our world view, our description. As luminous beings, our perception is controlled by the position of our Assemblage Point (the point where our luminous being focuses its awareness on the energy fibers of the universe). There are infinite worlds outside our daily perceptions. By stopping the internal dialog you break through this barrier to the totality of oneself. To this end sorcerers use "the right way of walking" as a practical task; it saturates the tonal and without the one-to-one relation with the elements of its description the tonal becomes silent. Also used are acting without believing or expecting rewards; erasing personal history; and "dreaming". To help erase personal history the techniques of losing self-importance, assuming responsibility, and using death as an adviser are applied. To aide in "dreaming" the three techniques of disrupting the routines of life, the gait of power, and not-doing are used. These techniques are bound together by living like a warrior, to give temperance and strength to withstand the path of knowledge. The nagual is the unspeakable. All the possible feelings and beings and selves float in it like barges, peaceful, unaltered, forever. Then the glue of life binds some of them together and a being is created. That being loses the sense of its true nature and becomes blinded by the glare and clamor of the tonal, where all unified organizations exist. That cluster is the bubble of perception. The secret of the double is in the bubble of perception. In the nagual, the cluster of feelings can be rearranged to any form and made to assemble instantly anywhere. In other words, one can perceive the here and the there at once. The nagual is witnessed by "will", and the tonal by "reason". The tonal is but a reflection of that indescribable unknown filled with order; the nagual is but a reflection of that indescribable void that contains everything.

    The Seven Gates of Dreaming

--------------------------- Summerized from _The Art of Dreaming_. First Gate: You reach the first gate when you become aware you are falling asleep or have a gigantically real dream (perhaps what some would call a lucid dream). You cross the first gate when you are able to sustain the sight of any item in your dream. In order to offset the evanescent quality of dreams, sorcerers have devised the use of the starting point item. Ever time you isolate it and look at it, you get a surge of energy, Second Gate: You cross the second gate when you are able to change from dream to dream. For example, you wake up from a dream in another dream or use an item of your dream to trigger another dream. Third Gate: You reach the third gate when you dream yourself asleep. You cross the third gate by moving your engery body after having done so. At the third gate you begin to merge your dreaming reality with the reality of the daily world. Fourth Gate: At the fourth gate, the energy body travels to specific, concrete places either in this world, out of this world, or places that exist only in the intent of others. Go to sleep in a certain position, then in dreaming, dream that you lie down in the same position and fall asleep again. This is called the twin positions and it solidifies your dreaming attention. The second dream is intending in the second attention: the only way to cross the fourth gate of dreaming.

    The Path of a Man of Knowledge

------------------------------ Exceprts from _The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge_; pages 82-87. A man of knowledge is one who has followed truthfully the hardships of learning. A man who has, without rushing or without faltering, gone as far as he can in unraveling the secrets of power and knowledge. To become a man of knowledge one must challenge and defeat the four natural enemies. The first enemy of a man of knowledge is Fear. A terrible enemy--treacherous, and difficult to overcome. It remains concealed at every turn of the way, prowling, waiting. And if the man, terrified in its presence, runs away, his enemy will have put an end to his quest. Once a man has vanquished fear, he is free from it for the rest of his life because, instead of fear, he has acquired clarity of mind which erases fear. And thus he has encountered his second enemy; Clarity. That clarity of mind, which is so hard to obtain, dispels fear, but also blinds. If the man yields to this make-believe power, he has succumbed to his second enemy and will be patient when he should rush. And he will fumble with learning until he winds up incapable of learing anything more. He must defy his clarity and use it only to see, and wait patiently and measure carefully before taking new steps; he must think, above all, that his clarity is almost a mistake. And a moment will come when he will understand that his clarity was only a point before his eyes. And thus he will have overcome his second enemy, and will arrive at a position where nothing can harm him anymore. It will be true power; the third enemy of a man of knowledge. A man at this stage hardly notices his third enemy closing in on him. And suddenly, without knowing, he will certainly have lost the battle. His enemy will have turned him into a cruel, capricious man. The man must defy his power, deliberately. He has to come to realize the power he has seemingly conquered is in reality never his. He will reach a point where everything is held in check. He will know then when and how to use his power. And thus he will have defeated his third enemy. The man will be, by then, at the end of his journey of learning, and almost without warning he will come upon the last of his enemies: Old age. This enemy is the cruelest of all, the one he won't be able to defeat completely, but only fight away. His desire to retreat will overrule all his clarity, his power, and his knowledge. But if the man sloughs off his tiredness, and lives his fate through, he can then be called a man of knowledge, if only for the brief moment when he succeeds in fighting off his last, invincible enemy. That moment of clarity, power, and knowledge is enough.

    The Books

--------- Teachings: Jun 23 1961 - Sep 30 1965 Separate Reality: Apr 2 1968 - Oct 18 1970 Journey to Ixtlan: Dec 17 1960 - May 1971 [I would like short reviews of each book, if you do it just email it to [email protected]]

    Glossary

-------- The Eight Points +---Seeing----+ / \ Nagual Will-----Feeling-----Talking---Reason Tonal \ / +---Dreaming--+ Stopping the Internal Dialog Stopping our description of the world; breaking the barrier of perception. Stopping the internal dialog is the key to the sorcerers' world. The rest of the activities are only props to accelerate the effect. The Right Way of Walking Tales of Power, WSP Paperback edition, page 236, don Juan says: The warrior, first by curling his fingers, drew attention to the arms; and then by looking, without focusing his eyses, at any point directly in front of him on the arc that started at the tip of his feet and ended above the horizon, he literally flooded his "tonal" with information. The "tonal", without its one-to-one relationship with the elements of its description, was incapable of talking to itself, and thus one became silent. Acting Without Believing Acting just for the hell of it, without expecting rewards. Erasing Personal History Removing cues of oneself from the world at large, making oneself unavailable. This frees you from the trap of others attention. This also helps to remove Self-Pity from your world. Losing Self-Importance Another aide in removing Self-Pity. Assuming Responsibility Assume responsibility for your actions and being in this world. Using Death as an Advisor Take every act as your last battle on earth. It doesn't matter if you win or lose a battle but never abandon yourself, even to your death. You should replace Self-Pity as your advisor and use death instead. Actions taken with death as an advisor have power. Disrupting the Routines of Life Our routines are what allows death to stalk us. A hunter learns the routines of its pray and uses them to kill it. Gait of Power Running with abandon, but without abandoning oneself. Imagine yourself being chased in the dark by a ferocious animal, if you get away, this is how you will have run. Not-Doing Focusing your attention on features of the world that are ordinarily overlooked, such as the shadows of things. Dreaming Using the natural shift of the Assemblage Point while asleep. Together, disrupting routines, the gate of power, and not-doing are avenues for learning new ways of perceiving the world, and they give a warrior an inkling of incredible possibilities of action. These lead to the knowledge of a separate and pragmatic world of "dreaming". Stalking Fixing the Assemblage Point in position to give your perception coherence. Used in the daily world it's a way of behaving towards our fellow men. Recapitulation Used to free energy trapped in the world. Performed by visualizing past events (to shift your Assemblage Point to that point) and reclaiming any energy you left behind and returning energy that isn't yours. Mood of a Warrior A mood in which to approch the world, acting with abandon but without abandoning oneself. Using death as an advisor, each act is your last battle on earth. Controlled Folly Since a man of knowledge "sees" and he knows that nothing is more important than anything else then nothing matters to him, he has only his controlled folly, acting as if it mattered even though he knows it does not. Gazing A sourcerery technique of looking without staring at something. The "not-doing" of looking at something. Worthy Opponent An opponent to spur you on the path of knowledge. Having to Believe Having no choice, the situation inspired by the worth opponent. Man of Knowledge A warrior who has become a sorcerer and who "sees" and knows. The ultimate state of being, in total control over your being. Energy Body ??? Assemblage Point The point at which your awarness is focused on your luminous being causing the energy fibers at large to align with the energy fibers inside your cocoon. Glow of Awarness The glowing point at which the Assemblage Point is focused, indicating that the being is alive. This glow lights the fibers and makes the luminous being percieve them. First Attention The attention of the tonal. Used to assemble our daily world. Second Attention The attention of the nagual. Third Attention The attention after burning with the fire from within. Dreaming Attention The attention used while dreaming to exercise the energy body, it's a gateway to the second attention. First Ring of Power Also the first attention Second Ring of Power Also the second attention Gates of Dreaming The seven gates of dreaming are energy obstacles that must be overcome. Dreaming Emissary ??? Scouts Energy beings from other realms in your dreams. By isolating then and indending to follow them they can transport your awareness to inconceivable realms. Dreaming Awake This state results from moving the Assemblage Point during normal awareness. The Tonal and the Nagual The tonal is but a reflection of that indescribable unknown filled with order; the nagual is but a reflection of that indescribable void that contains everything. The Dreamer and the Dreamed The secret of the dreamer and the dreamed is that the dreamed dreams the dreamer, just as the dreamer dreams the dreamed. The Secret of the Luminous Beings The secret of the luminous beings is that we are perceivers, we are an awareness without solidity or bounds. The world we think we see is only a description of world told to us by our internal dialog, a description that has been taught to us by others. We are trapped inside that bubble of perception and what we witness on its walls is a reflection of our world view, our description. Bubble of Perception The bubble of perception is the cluster of feelings that have been assembled in the nagual and bound together by the force of life.

    * Subject: Notes on a talk by Taisha Abelar 92 *

The following are notes I took at a talk by Taisha Abelar on 10 October 1992 at the Alexandria II bookstore in Pasadena, California. These are somewhat cryptic but may be of interest to some on the list. ((my comments if any are in double parentheses)) The Activity of sorcerers is that of Dreaming yourself. Society is oriented toward a "poor baby" syndrome (society and the individual are at effect). Drills to resolve this : Write your internal dialogue down for 3 days, wait three days and read it Mark up the newspaper wherever the poor baby concept is expressed. We presently have a mating/courtship compulsion the self is presented as a "poor baby" to the world Stalking the self - see how you are living. The reason for all this is that mankind's assemblage point is in a certain position. You can move the assemblage point to another place. That's what sorcerers do - move it away from the poor baby position The assembalge point is a place of luminosity on the energetic body, it lights the filiaments. When the filiaments of the energetic body match those of the universe perception takes place. How do you move the assemblage point? You need energy - this may be obtained from not doing the presentation of the self in everyday life and stopping seeking courtship. curtail needingness. After you've increased your energy THEN practice sorceric techniques. 1. The recapitulation (see Sorcerer's crossing) 2. Quiet the internal dialogue (Meditation and breathing techniques are good for this) ((Taisha told a rather amusing story of going to a guru in India who had a $900 breathing technique)) The $900 dollar breath: 3 exhalations, 1 inhalation (Use) any technique that works - sorcery passes, gazing techniques. Practice impeccability, you'll know impeccability when you have no self interest. Act without expecting rewards or returns. Act impeccably and the assemblage point moves to the" place of no pity " Heightened awareness. When the assemblage point moves far enough you'll see different worlds. You'll know when you are there - (you'll be) very quiet, unknown to yourself, you'll feel solitude but not loneliness. Energy comes to you and will guide you, energy of the double, the ethereal body. " Poor Baby" ravages energy. That's the beginning, heightened awareness is the door to infinity. NOW you can use dreaming and stalking. Dreaming, use dreams to enhance awareness of being, wake up the energetic body. The art of dreaming - move the assemblage point systematically (find your hands, etc.) Art of stalking - when assemblage point moves you have to fix it at new position - give it reality - explore, get adventuresome. find out the ramifications of the new position from a bodily energy viewpoint. Then develop the energetic body. Use it (while awake). Solidify it and act from it. Where Taisha Abelar is is a poistion of the assemblage point. Moving assemblage point to where their's (other sorcerers) were. The earth too has an assemblage point ((cf. Ley lines etc.)) embarrassment disrupts the assemblage point. There are other worlds than this consensual world. Nagual - pronounced " NO - ALL" You can move the assemblage point in dreaming. (( Taisha Abelar made a loud scream at this point in the )) Shriek - makes the assemblage point shift and solidify the energy body. For a normal human the assemblage point is behind the left shoulder at the back. Perception is encoded in the body (cf. Husserl, phenomenologists) Perception - a facet of corporeality. The only way to change the energy body is to move the assemblage point, lighting up different filiaments. Memories can reengage, restimulate different energetic memories. Dream yourself, its up to you A man waits for death and while he waits he surrounds himself with beauty and with strength " The Death Defier" The change comes from within, to change the world, the environment, the universe. You must move the assemblage point Recapitulation - make list of everyone you've known begin with the latest person and work backwards Breath in over right shoulder to left then exhale back (rotating the head ) - visualize and breath you can do it in the world. Don't poor baby yourself. Use devices to jolt yourself you can move the assemblage point up and down. (( She talks about her experiences in the other world with the trees (described in Sorcerer's Crossing))) Competition among the roots of trees (not recommended to move the Assemblage point down) The greatest challenge - practice controlled folly, you see the situation and you don't do anything about it - you don't judge - judging is death. Inorganic entities, they permeate this other realm of the universe. Don Juan's/Carlo's new book The Seven Gates of Dreaming The second gate is these guys - Gargoyles/vampires/shadows they inhabit a close realm and feed off our energy. Don Juan's allys. Seers can see this energy. Build integrity - internal strength. Gazing at gravel/leaves/moon/clouds But if you don't have the sobriety of recapitulation then there are hazards. The Inorganic Entities come thru tunnels, ignore them. The Inorganic Entities obey your commands. You can recapitualte your dreams or recapitulate in your dreams. If awake Normal recapitulation start at right inhale to left, exhale to center. In dreams inhale Clockwise, exhale counterclockwise in center. There are layers of recapitulation. Best place for assemblage point - an infinite number of other places. The spirit, intent, will let it move , Best intermediate place - "The place of no pity" Do the newspaper exercise (looking for "poor baby") Take a pen and paper to your internal dialogue. Scratch the surface, stalk yourself. Taisha Abelar and her fellow sorcerers are now moving assemblage points elsewhere and using energetic bodies to establish realities there. Proper use of sexual energy. if you've got energy to spare - ((sex is)) OK if you've recapitualted. If you want to move the assemblage point to other areas use sexual energy to do dreaming. The second gate is the graveyard of failed sorcerers. Control, the stalker's sobriety. level 1 energy body level 2 energy and physical body (this needs lots more energy) ((the above is describing 'going places' via dreaming as an energy body or taking the physical body too)) After recapitulating there is only NOW. This permits discrepancies - coming and going from the consensual universe. When moving the assemblage point either: 1. Get rid of friends 2. Use them as controlled folly. The world has multitudes of realities The real challenge is in the world - can you get off the assemblage point position? Stalking - move assemblage point, give the energy body a jolt. ((an example of a stalking exercise follows)) Tie up the dominant hand and use the other. Not doing exercises Walk backwards Walk on all fours with kneepads any trigger - sound/time/smell causes the body to remember cover up mirrors - (they reinforce agreements and put attention on the self) Stalk yourself look at the world Begin recapitulation Dream and find your hands in your dream Not doing Disrupt routines and do exercise to wake up the energetic body (physical exercise)

    * Subject: Notes on a talk by Taisha Abelar 94 *

These are the of notes of the Abelar public talk in Menlo Park, California held January 7, 1994. These notes are not in the public domain; they may be distributed to friends interested in Abelar, CC and Donner, but please do not repost them on other bulletin boards and they may not be published in any magazine etc. Please respect the style of teaching of Abelar, Castaneda etc. which seems to be based on limited public display. "Tonight's talk with be on Stopping. To Stop you must only do one thing. Decide to be a warrior or not. "The assemblage point fluctuates naturally in sleep. It will also move under the influence of drugs, deep meditation, starvation, sensory deprivation. "The assemblage point is located behind you at the level of your shoulder blades. "Sorcerers use Discipline to move their assemblage points. "Everyone of us can 'see' energy - even now - but you are no longer aware of it. Infants on the other hand perceive energy directly. However, as they get older the 'Usher' introduces them to the world of ordinary reality. Instead of seeing amorphous energy, the infant one day will assemble the energy configuration into...a table. A toy. A dog. A tree. Each time the transformation comes from the Usher. "First and foremost we live in a world of energy. Only secondarily do we live in a world of objects. The position of the assemblage point determines the reality that we assemble of the energy. "The sorcerer [presumably unlike the hunger artists and sensory deprivers] seeks to FIX the assembly point at a new location [not just move it]. To agglutinate energy again into new sets of 'objects' and hence into a new 'reality.' "This world is not as important as we make it out to be. Our language is biased; we call it 'reality' when it is really only one of many modes of the assemblage point. For convenience though let us refer to it as 'ordinary' reality. "Ordinarily once the Ushers do their work of helping us perceive the various energy configurations as 'objects,' the assemblage point is fixed once and for all and the assemblage point does not move thereafter. "We are forced to maintain a world of everyday life until we die. "By the way death, from a sorcerer's standpoint, is not the fast process that it appears to be. The glow of the assemblage point fades quickly, but all the other energy strands that make up the energy egg of the human being can take a long long time to disperse. This process can also be slowed down, for example if you were buried in a lead coffin right after death. "The alternative to being stuck all your life on one assemblage point is to move it by the practice of Discipline, and then to fix it at a new location while awake. "A firm foundation in the warrior's way is required for heavy duty stopping and dreaming." "Discipline is not the same thing as practiced by Catholic girls in a convent. Nor the same thing as what USED to be practiced by the nuns themselves. It is not getting up early to do aerobics before going to work, or eating sensibly. These are just routines, habits. Not a warrior's Discipline. "From the point of view of a warrior, stalker or dreamer, Discipline is abstract - an unbending hooking to a purpose - so that the actual implementation of the Discipline is actually very flexible and fluid. It takes courage of steel, there is no room for doubt or hesitation which will otherwise rise up to pull you back to the everyday world of tantrums and self indulgence. "Discipline leads to harmony, well being and balance. Everyday life, on the other hand, is indulgence. "Unbending unyielding purpose is what is requird for Discipline in our quest for freedom. "At the Phoenix Bookstore [ed. note - Santa Monica, CA I think] talks recently - some of you were there - Carlos Castaneda gave a talk of the 'warrior's way.' "You can't 'learn' to be a warrior! It is just a decision you have to make one day for yourself on your own. Asking someone to teach you to be a warrior is the wrong approach, it is the 'poor baby me' approach to warriorship. "Carlos Castaneda said that first and foremost the transfiguring event in a warrior's life, what is at the bedrock of becoming a warrior, is accepting responsibility for your own death. This is the bottom line. Don't assume you are immortal. "Face infinity and death in the mirror at night. "Just by doing this, taking death as an advisor this way, lots of things will fall off, fall away from you. "Assume responsibility for your perception of the world. Not just the single perception you were born into. Instead intend the movement of your assemlage point to other areas of the luminous egg. If you tighten your belt, curtail the other things in your life the pont will JUST MOVE ON ITS OWN without any exercises or routines on your part. The lamp of awareness, strong now that you have cut the excess baggage out of your life, will shine on all the other possible positions of your assemblage point. "The next rule of being a warrior is to pay your debts. A warrior is very generous. He or she does not look at the world in terms of what other people owe him or her. The warrior looks at the world in terms of opportunities to discharge his or her debts to other people so he or she will not be tied up forever. "This paying of debts leads to an unbiased affection for all things. Most of what we consider to be affection is the trading of favors with other people. The warrior, on the other hand, gives affection with no expectation of return. It is not that the warrior is trying to eliminate affection, be an unfeeling person. The warrior's affection is just so unbiased it unravels everyday connections. The warrior's affection is so unbiased that if the warrior goes into another reality completely different from this one the warrior's affection will extend to all the other new beings that exist in that other reality. "If someone has really INJURED you this also needs to be paid back. The concept of paying debts is not a sentimental concept limited to returning the good connections. The point is to loosen all connections. If you are connected to someone who injured you, you may need to sever that connection by paying back the injury. So it is not a moral issue; it goes two ways." "The warrior's path is an escape hatch, somewhere to go after you have finished dismantling everyday life. There is no room for crapping out, for fear, for indulgence, for regrets or for nostalgia when going into the unknown. "Unbending determination is the only choice you can make or terrible things will happen to you once you have accumulated enough energy [by using death as an advisor to cut loose the excess baggage]. "You CANNOT be half assed, half willing or, with your partial energy, even worse things will happen to you [than if you had never taken this path]. "Take back the energy used to support the everyday world [by using death as an advisor and paying back debts]. The everyday world is a gigantic edifice but it rest on just three cornerstones: "(1) how we present ourselves in the world, how we fit into the social structure. The recapitulation lets you think about all this, how you fit in, it is a looking glass of how others see you in your hopes and fears. All this takes energy. The warrior looks instead at what he or she is doing the face of death and what conduct, what intensity is really appropriate in that light. "(2) the second cornerstone is our biological need to mate and to reproduce. We are social animals. Sorcerers say - let the others do it. Sorcerers need the energy that goes into the social dance and biological need to get their freedom. We refuse to be the flower that blooms -and dies - to propagate the species. Security of the family is one of the strongest attractions to the social order. There is a tremendous fear of being alone, of dying alone. Sorcerers have to learn to be ALONE for long stretches, which is why Don Juan and the others would test us by keeping us alone, on our own, to see how we handled solitude. Why are you so afraid to have no moives, no friends. It is also important to learn to keep mental silence, mental solitude, for long periods. The world will then collapse on its own without the inner talk! Dreaming is also very alone, facing the dangers in the dreaming world alone. "We are talking about STOPPING tonight and have to get used to solitude. As women we just don't want to be an old maid, a bitter old maid with a mole and whiskers on her cheek as was held up to me. We learn these things, the need to be beautiful to ctch a good mate and we fund the entire cosmetics industry with our fears and worries. In recapitulation we have a chance to see this and to look for alternatives." "The warrior's way [is not to get trapped in the biological imperative to mate and the social dance motivated by loneliness it] is to give unbounded affection instead, not to count the number of affairs we have or be in a relationship and daydream about alternatives that would be even better for us. A warrior's affection so transcends the social order that the warrior can move to any other position of the assemblage point, even an unknown universe and still be full of affection. So don't be afraid to chip away at this second cornerstone of everday reality, that if you do so you won't have any affections or feelings left. "The third cornerstone of ordinary reality is very sublte; it is self importance. We joked about putting out a bumper sticker 'Self-importance kills' because a false sense of self importance, when undercut, is a great source of suicide and illness not to mention taking away from a zest for living. Everyone manifests self importance one way or another, either by wanting to be best in something or by wanting to play the martyr and be the worst - the use my bones as stepping stones to your own glory syndrome. Don't substitute false humility or false modesty for pride about your self importance. The important thing to realize is that you are no MORE and no LESS important than any other living thing. To think otherwise is like one ant in a heap carrying an especially big load and thinking it is the most important, the best ant when in a moment I will step on that ant and all his companions and they will be equal in their death. Something will 'step' on all of us someday, just like one of us might step on an ant hill. We are all equal and self importance is nothing but a reward from the social order of everyday reality, like the drip of a drug into your brain to keep you hooked on the social order. It is better to save your energy and take your freedom instead. "The 'Selector.' A very simple mechanical model of a needle pointing in a certain direction and we get our engergy configuration lined up at a new assemblage point. The Selector does it all for you if you have enough energy it pulls certain things in the universe down to you. Once you have restored your energy by the recapitulation there is no need for chanting or special rituals to move your assemblage point. Where why how the Selector moves the assemblage point we don't know all we can do is acquiesce in the movement, act implacably under the terrible pressure of the Selector. "Stalking. I - stalkers in general - use behavior to move the assemblage point to create maximum cognitive dissonance." "You cannot choose where to move your assemblage point when you are living as a stalker because if you choose you will not have enough cognitive dissonance between the old point and the new point to work with. This is why warriors are under tremendous pressure, because the Selector - or spirit - chooses difficult new positions that are so scary or different that sometimes the assemblage point of the warrior, when subjected to the pressure to move, starts vibrating in place, you can see this energetically. If the warrior lapses into an internal dialog about what is going on, then the point will not relocate it will snap back to its normal position which for you is ordinary reality. "It takes tremendous pressure to move the point and what you need to do is to keep the pressure up but it should be harmonious pressure or you culd actually go crazy. Once you have energy and unbending intent the point will move very easily with no problems and after you do the recapitulation it will move sometimes and you won't even be aware of it. "I had certain tasks chosen for me by the Selector. I had to completely live as different people, this was not just acting during the day or being aware you are acting it was complete immersion in a new self. 24 hours a day. You ARE that new person. Let me be Sheila Waters for you. [Puts on wig and eyeglasses.] I have to wear eyeglasses when I am Sheila Waters. "Sheila Waters was pointed out to me by the Selector (spirit or whatever you want to call it) I had to become a business woman, get an MBA, real estate license, paralegal, invest in commodities, keep business relationships with attorneys and accountants and all the other people in the business world. I got things done and made and lost fortunes. Because when you are in that assemblage position there is a natural desire to succeed, not fail, so naturally the tendency is to try to make lots of money, not just stand still or lose money. If you are not impeccable it is easy to lose money by not listening to your own inner voice. I decided that I had to have some really great timber land in the north and it was really great land perfect in every way; except that it was near Mt. St. Helena and when the volcano blew up it was ruined. I used to read the Wall Street Journal and watch Ruyckhaueser [spelling?]. "Other personas. [Takes off glasses and wig.] In Mexico I was under Emilito's supervision he was more of a guardian or spectator than a teacher, would not interfere with the roles the Selector chose for me. I was Ricky, the first position chosen for me, an American gringo male trying to pass himself off as a Mexican. I dressed in mans clothing, passed for a man, romanced a lady and even used the urinals. Don't ask me to tell you what I had to do to use the urinals, I will put it in my new book Stalking the Double. "The second assemblage point chosen for me was a young ingenue from Texas, niece of some women in Mexico who were of course really the women sorcerers from Don Juan's party. I had blonde hair by choice and would parade in the square waiting to attract men to this virginal thing, because of course I had to be a virgin, and the blonde hair was very startling and attractive. "It is essential to be absolutely fluid. That is the point of all the not-doing exercises, so that you can be absolutely fluid and when the Selector moves your assemblage point you will have the Discipline to be able to fix it at its new location. "You cannot view yourself as just a cynical manipulator of behavior, acting out one role then another. It must be real to you, absolutely real. "Next I was a crazy beggar. Sat on the church steps bitten by fleas and mosquitos all day but although I am allergic to bites in my role as a crazy beggar woman I did not care, did not mind them at all. I was a crazy female outcast beggar so I had 4 strikes against me and all the time in the world to just sit there and watch the world go by because no one noticed me or cared." "To conclude. Nothing is real, just a manipulation of behaviour, just a result of the accidental fixation of our assemblage point at birth. That is what the stalker learns from being so many different people. Each position is equally real and hence equally phantoms. We cherish our present positions, but even the closest, most real ones are just phantoms when you move to another postion. "It took years of recapitulation to undermine the sense of reality . At the same time I had to replace reality with the warrior's way to avoid the trap of cynicism. Turn my response to the world into controlled folly, the warrior's delight! "If ou have the energy all the things it [Selector, spirit] puts around you become things of beauty and strength, in the highest sense your life becomes surrounded by a display of living art. "Remember that you are already dead, already a phantom like everything else, and lose your sense of self importance. "Know beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing is real." [Questions & answers; questions inaudible in the garden.] "After the recapitulation and not doing, then you can see. "Moving into another complete band of the luminous egg is like dying, because the glow of your awareness in the everyday world has gone out. Awareness is still with you but you are perceiving a different reality. To the ordinary reality world you are gone, dead. "There are similarities between Chinese acupuncture theory and the sorcerer's description of the luminous body. If you draw the main body meridians they form an egg like the sorcerers describe. Also Chinese theory is that you are born with a limited supply of intrinsic energy, same view as sorcerers. We think that the assemblage point in the embryo is in the embryo and only relocates outside the embryo when the Ushers bring in the ordinary reality. Also some people are born more energetically powerful than others. For example if both parents are energetic and the baby is raised on the mother's milk. But don't worry if you were not born with a special abundance of energy, you have all you need if you will be careful with it. Also you will get extra jolts when your assemblage point moves. We just need to be more disciplined to guard our energy. It really does not take much energy anyway to move the point. "Nietsche said whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger. That is how sorcerers think. But otherwise be careful of philosophers because they are famous crazy self indulgers. "Recapitulation. There is no method. There is a method but it is not important whether you move your head from right to left or from left to right or set aside a regular time or a lot of time. What is important is the unbending intent to recapitulate. Then spirit will guide you into the right form and time and amount of practice. With intent, time will set itself. When you make the right intent, you will have 27 generations of sorcerers behind you. They did not all practice the recapitulation the same way, but their intent will hook you support you and guide you. The intent out there to recapitulate is constant but the method varies. Therefore: "1. Intend it. "2. Have an integrity about it - don't brag or compete (competition is the worst thing in the world, it is a primary support for the third cornerstone of everyday reality, the sense of self importance). "3. Discipline order harmoney. Don't be random unless you intend it. Most people make a list and work backwards. "4. Breath. Direction not important. What is important is using the breath to pull the energy back. "Letter came to Carlos Castaneda - 'I recapitulated last night. Can I join your party now?' Recapitulation takes a lifetime, not a night." [end of transcription. By [email protected]]

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